the following conversation happened between my father and I from 6:36am and 7:00am
let it be noted that my father and I are both very capable of proper english but like the majority of people on the internet
we use the internet lingo lol.
for safety reasons ive removed actual names and such.
12/29/2009 6:36:55 AM
SON:anyways i think im gonna do that phoenix thing if jcc dont start workin
FATHER: ITS NOT THE SAME THING
SON: what you mean?
FATHER: COLLEGE IS A SOCIAL THING
SON: you know i dont give a s*** about socializing i just want the degree dad
FATHER: NOT SOCIAL LIVING BEHIND A COMPUTER SCREEN
SON: cuz once i get my degree i can piss on all the a**holes that made fun of me and said im never gonna have anything in life
FATHER: U STILL HAVE TO LEARN HOW 2 WORK WITH OTHERS AFTER YOU GO TO WORK
SON: i know that
FATHER: I KNOW YOU LIKE BUCKING THE SYSTEM
SON: yes and you also know that like our great grandfather , i like to be the conductor of the orchestra not the pissant piccolo player
SON: and besides more than 30% (*estimate*) of all successful major business owners started “behind a computer screen”, i mean look at bill gates an the guys who created yahoo
*a few minutes went by*
FATHER: DO YOU REALLY FEEL THAT LUCKY
SON: in a sense yes, but the question i ask myself is do i feel that smart?
SON: and the answer i tell myself is yes
FATHER: WELL I CAN ONLY HOPE YOU WAKE UP BEFORE YOU TURN FORTY
SON: i pride myself on coming from a long line of what society calls “wizards” (*people that have a certain talent for things*) theres you, and grampa, and plenty of others
SON: and what if i become successful hows it gonna make you feel that you didnt support me
SON: ?
FATHER: IDK I JUST WANT YOU TO COME DOWN TO EARTH WHERE REALITY REALLY IS
SON: dad honestly how far has reality gotten YOU in this life???
FATHER: AT YOUR PRESENT RATE I WILL NOT LIVE TO SEE YOU SUCEED
SON: so then do me a favor LIE, if you dont think im gonna make it before you die then just give me fake support
FATHER: BUT
FATHER: IM REAL
FATHER: ALWAYS BEEN REAL
FATHER: THATS WHY I DONT DRINK
FATHER: DONT DO DRUGS
SON: nobodies talkin about drugs dad
FATHER: AND DIDNT CHEAT UNLESS CHEATED ON
SON: all im talkin about is getting a degree
FATHER: ME NEITHER JUST STATING THE FACTS
FATHER: AND OF ALL PEOPLE WHY WOULD ANY 1 WANT THERE DAD TO SUPPORT BS
FATHER: SON THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN LIFE IS TO SURVIVE
FATHER: ANY THING MORE IS GREAT
SON: b cuz at least w fake support i actually feel like i have you standing behind me in what i do instead of feeling like you give me the cold shoulder like you do in everything that i do
FATHER: YOUR BROTHER BUCKED THE SYSTEM HIS WHOLE LIFE SO FAR
SON: HOW CAN YOU SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRE?????
FATHER: U HAVE TO
SON: y ? bcuz the government and society says i have to?
FATHER: YUP
FATHER: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE US ACTUALLY CONTROLL THE MONEY HERE
SON: ok dad seriously where would your “society” be without the people like me that took the incentive to take the great leap of faith and hope for greatness?
FATHER: 1 IN 50,000 SUCCEED
FATHER: AND IN THE MEAN TIME PEOPLE LIKE YOUR WORKING MOTHER HAVE TO SUPPORT YOUR DREAM LIFE
FATHER: AND ME
SON: i like those odds dad, how many ppl are there in the world 7 BILLION um thats 140000 in the world not just the US successful ppl dad
12/29/2009 7:00:32 AM
*= information i added
i only want opinions on this conversation im not here to rant or complain i just want some opinions from what everyone that reads this thinks
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Truth be told you don’t need a degree to be successful! college was all about socializing, however it does prepare you for whatever type of work you want.
I do have an engineering degree and college did help me with that! You can’t be an engineer nor get paid engineering money if you don’t have that piece of paper (degree)… so figure out what you want to do, and then consider do I really need that piece of paper.
Seriously the cost of college vs. the rewards sometimes is not worth it if what you want to do is not a professional career.
Talk to a guidance councelor dude… she could help you out. But basically if you want to be paid the big bucks get a degree in something that you like and pays the big bucks. But for example you can make a very decent living joining the Armed forces… they pay extremely well, feed you and give you money for clothes and housing and you don’t really need a degree for it! So figure out what you want to do and go for it! But in the case of if you want to join the Armed forces it makes no sense to go to college spend the money and then join the armed forces… be smart about it!
That’s it good luck pal!
idk. a lt of people’s dads dont suport them. just do your own thing. that is all yu can do. and hope for the best.
it didn’t seem messed up, just getting serious.
Like the old saying/song goes…”it’s your thing, do what you wanna do.”
The thing is, it’s taken me til I was 35 to know this, and I AM doing “the phoenix thing” because it allows me to facillitate the other 90% of life and carry out my responsibilities to my family.
My dad isn’t all that supportive, either. I tell him I got all A’s AGAIN and he says, “I know you did – you always do. I don’t want to hear what your grades are – I want to know if you’re actually LEARNING anything.”
Hello?! Well, doesn’t it stand to reason if I am getting all A’s, then I am learning QUITE a lot? I didn’t just pull those good grades out of my hat or get them for my good looks, now did I? I worked REALLY hard.
Also, socializing is great, but think back (depending how old you are, this may be less time to think back on), but guess how many people I actually spend time interacting with that I “socialized” with in High School…NONE. That’s right – aside from occasionally checking in on FB or MS or what-have-you, I don’t actually see any of these people or spend a lot of time even talking to them there.
We are all busy with our careers and families and don’t have time to expend energy or resources “feeling connected” with these people. And they aren’t paying our bills, either. Our FAMILIES have become the center of our universe, which they should be. Knowing these are my views doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings, either – they all know exactly where I am coming from.
Also, given the whole career/family balance many people experience and question what is “more” important, I have this firmly figured out. I do BOTH, and it IS possible. My family knows I work so hard because I want to give them the best I can. If I am at work, it directly benefits my family. When I get home, I give them all the time I can, and they know this and don’t feel disconnected or deprived in any way.
Anyway, if I had wanted a “pep talk” I would not talk to my dad, I would either talk to my boyfriend who supports my goals OR just remember all the pep talks my mom and grandparents gave me over the years they were on this earth. Find your bliss – and support – where you can, and if it’s just something your dad isn’t capable of, find the support from plenty of other people who also care about you. I don’t stress about my dad being a huge grouch, and neither should you.
Good luck